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Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 1:24 pm
by Steve Birdsall
That was later. Here's a clip from the photo of 41-2408 and 41-2421 . . .

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The photo is undated but must have been taken after March 1942 while the planes were at Townsville.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 4:43 pm
by varsity07840
Steve Birdsall wrote:That was later. Here's a clip from the photo of 41-2408 and 41-2421 . . .

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The photo is undated but must have been taken after March 1942 while the planes were at Townsville.
Could the photo have been taken in Hawaii BEFORE the tail stripes were applied?

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri May 13, 2016 5:09 pm
by Steve Birdsall
In a word, no.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Sat May 14, 2016 5:10 am
by varsity07840
Steve Birdsall wrote:In a word, no.
Ok. Just a thought.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 10:25 pm
by terveurn
Steve

Believe this is 41-2444
41-2444.jpg

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Sat May 21, 2016 11:42 pm
by Steve Birdsall
Yes, it is, with the 42nd Bomb Squadron, 11th Bomb Group. Those Ralph Morse photos were taken in December 1942.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:22 am
by Steve Birdsall
In the interest of keeping this thread alive, here's a photo of 40-2063, the plane Bruce Allen landed at Hickam on 7 December 1941, after it returned to the United States.

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Tom Michel spotted this in a 1943 training film and it's obvious that 40-2063 still carries the multi-coloured camouflage that was applied by the Hawaiian Air Depot soon after it got to Hawaii. Exact date of this shot is unknown but 40-2063 was written off after crashing at Sebring, Florida on 20 May 1943.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 10:02 am
by jmkendall
I've been trying to find it, but there is a pic in an older ( 70s) B-17 book with a B-17D fusalage in Camo,about 1944, I think in Colorado. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 23, 2016 7:39 pm
by Chris Brame
Do you mean the William T. Larkins photo of the fuselage of B-17B 39-001 The Goldbrick (with the tail of 38-212 in the background) at Lowry Field? It's on Page 35 of the third edition of Final Cut.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:00 am
by DryMartini
jmkendall wrote:I've been trying to find it, but there is a pic in an older ( 70s) B-17 book with a B-17D fusalage in Camo,about 1944, I think in Colorado. Does that ring a bell with anyone?
Yes! In "Fortress In The Sky" by Peter Bowers.
I'll have to look/scan it when I get home.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 10:31 am
by DryMartini
Found it!
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Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 11:40 am
by aerovin2
The one he might also be referring to is the scrapped B-17D fuselage marked "4F" that I think is in the same book and taken by Bill Larkins. It was at Lowry Field, I think, in Colorado.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:01 pm
by DryMartini

Scott, that one is B-17B 39-001, and the picture shows OD/Neutral Gray,
although it indeed was Lowry Field, Colorado.

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:33 pm
by Chris Brame
Thanks for posting the shot of 40-3092 - never saw it before and always wondered what it looked like. Wish somebody had saved it!

Re: The "Hawaiian Air Depot" Camouflage Scheme

Posted: Fri Sep 30, 2016 1:43 pm
by Steve Birdsall
That one, 40-3092, was flying with the 31st Bomb Squadron, 5th Bomb Group at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack. When the Hawaiian Air Depot camouflage was applied to unpainted B-17s like 40-3092 they naturally did not display the darker OD 41 “saddle” which was common on the already-painted planes.