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LaurelReiki
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"I'll Get By" B17

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Does anyone know anything about the B 17 "I'll Get By"?

She was stationed in England and made missions across Germany into Russia and back.

My father, Woody W. Whitecotton was the turret gunner.

Is there any one out there that flew with him?
Daughter of WWII turret gunner, Woody W. Whitecotton
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Post by TriangleP »

It's important to know which Bomb Group your dad was in. Most of the groups have an active website. You can post your request on the Group website. I Googled "B-17" and "I'll Get By" and the 95th Bomb Group came up ((White) Square B). Lots of B-17s had identical names on them, but this might be a good start.
http://95thbg.org/joomla/index.php
Another 95th BG site
http://95thbg.org/95th_joomla/91st BG

Another source of information is The Mighty Eighth Message Board
http://www.com-web.com/wwwboard/wwwboard.html
Another source is The Mighty Eighth Cross-Reference
http://mighty8thaf.preller.us/
Fred Preller on these sites is very helpful, and he can get you in the right place.
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Post by Richard C Tavenner »

Dear Laurel,

My uncle, Irving D. Chandler (1916-2003), was the pilot of that plane for 34 missions from May 44 until Jan 45.
If your Dad was on "I'll Get By" during that time, then Irv and Woody knew each other.
Irv named it "I'll Get By" after the popular tune of that name.
"I'll Get By" was the lead plane for the last 8 missions.
Each group had 4 squads. Each squad had 12 planes.
8th AF, 1st Bomb Division, 92nd Bombing Group (B in a triangle), 325th Squadron, 40th Bomb Wing (92nd, 305th, 306th.)
Airfield was at Podington, East Anglia.
There are photos of this location on the web. It is now a drag strip.

During one of the later missions they had to land at an emergency strip set up at first land.
They had lost 2 engines on the return leg and lost the 3rd coming up to the channel.
I think it was oil loss and they feathered the engines. That 3rd one may have caught fire.
I think the 4th was failing as they approached the emergency strip.

We have no photos.
But we have a B17 on display in Tucson at the Pima Air Museum,
and one of my fondest memories is sitting in the co-pilot seat
while he sat in the pilot's and talked of the old days.
Irv's widow is alive and I'll ask about your Dad.

Best,

Richard Tavenner
Tucson, AZ
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Post by Richard C Tavenner »

Lauren,

More info.

Go to:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/18532986@N ... 258254733/
for photo of "I'll Get By" with crew in foreground in a jeep.
Now I have a photo.

Also.
Plane's identification: B-17G-40-BO 42-97093.
Known as "Doc's Flying Circus" of the 568th BS/390th BG, Framlingham (early 44).
Know as "Girl of My Dreams" (from June 44),
and as "I'll Get By" (from July 44).

This plane returned to the US on 29 June 1945 having served with the group
since 3 March 1944 and was scrapped December 1945 in Kingman, AZ.

The above info I found on related web sites that came up when I Googled B17 "I'll Get By".
Most of the info in my first post was related to me by my uncle, Irv Chandler.

Richard Tavenner
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Post by Richard C Tavenner »

Lauren,

That photo is of a B17 named "I'll Get By"
but its id# is different and it was shot down,
so It's not the same plane.

TriangleP stated many names were duplicated,
so this must be the case here.
The tune was very popular.

So, I still do not have a photo of his plane.

Richard Tavenner
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Lauren,
My best info is that my uncle flew B-17G-65-BO-43-37559, named "I'll Get By".
He was in the 92nd Bomb Group, the 325th Bomb Squad (NV), plane N.
My aunt does not recognize your father's name.
Some of the crew names: Skip Madigan (navigator), Brownie, and "Ohio"
(tailgunner and only KIA.)
Richard
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Post by susanjensen »

Wow! My Dad is in the picture that you suggested above, he's on the hood of the jeep with the good luck gollywog! Would love to have more information, I have not been to the links you provided , but will visit them. Dad passed away in 1994, Richard W. "Dick" Quick,tail gunner, bombadier! Any additional info or addtional info would be great!

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Post by katemaru »

I know this is a very fallow discussion, but my great uncle was the pilot of the I'll Get By. My dad, who's a retired USAF general, wrote a summary of the flight. I've appended it below. In the intervening 10 years, he's updated it. If anyone is interested, I'll obtain/forward a copy of the latest draft.

Kate


Finding Captain Baber’s Crew
Version 1.4 25 Oct 14


This story is actually two stories. The first story is about courage and sacrifice seventy years ago. The second is a current story about the kindness of strangers. The common element is ten young men flying a B-17G named ‘I’ll Get By’ out of Horham, England as part of the 412th Bomb Squadron, 95th Bomb Group, 8th Air Force during World War II.

Courage and Sacrifice

1.1 The Americans

2 Aug 44 started well for the crew of ‘I’ll Get By.’ The pilot, Capt. Robert O Baber, had a good crew. They had been selected as a ‘Lead Crew’ in recognition of their competence and experience. Every man in the crew had at least 20 combat missions to his credit. Those missions had been flown at the rate of 4 or more a month since arriving in England in Mar 44. They had included 10 missions to Germany (2 of which were to Berlin). Lately, the majority of the missions were Tactical missions in France. These missions were targeting transportation hubs and German troop concentrations in support of the British and American Normandy landings.

Today’s mission was another Tactical mission. While no combat mission was without risk, they were confident that this would be another successful mission to add to their goal of completing their lead crew tour of 33 combat missions. Better yet, the sun was shining even though it was still muddy around their base at Horham, England. They had been scheduled to get a crew photo taken before the flight. The 10 men of Capt. Baber’s crew were posed in and around a jeep in front of their B-17G, ‘I’ll Get By.’ The photo is included as Attachment 1. If you count noses in the picture, there are 11 men. For this mission, Capt. Elmer E Bockman, an Assistant Operations Officer on the 95th Bomb Group staff, would fly in place of SSgt Adamson, one of the waist gunners. Since this was a picture of Capt. Baber’s crew, SSgt Adamson is there; but, unlike the other 10 men, he is not if flying gear. With the photographic preliminaries out of the way, the men (minus SSgt Adamson) departed on the mission flying as the lead aircraft of the Low Squadron of the 95B Combat Box. Four hours later, 7 of the 10 men in the photo that flew the mission were dead and 3 were POWs.

The I’ll Get By’ and the 11 other aircraft of the 95B Group took off at about 1500 on 2 Aug 44, formed up with the other two groups (95A and 95C) into the 13A Combat Wing, and departed the English coast at 1718. The mission planning was already disrupted when the Pathfinder aircraft leading the 95A Group (and the 13A Combat Wing) reported failure of radio and navigation. The 13A Combat Wing command pilot (not named) directed that the 13A Combat Wing lead be turned over to the 95B Group. That put Capt. Baber and the crew of the ‘I’ll Get By’ in the lead of the 13A Combat Wing. The enemy coast (occupied France) was crossed at 1749. At 1752 and 5 miles East of Caen, France, enemy Anti-Aircraft Artillery (AAA) started and hit the ‘I’ll Get By.’

The AAA hit next to the #1 engine (outermost engine on the left side). The tip of the wing was blown off and the wing was set on fire. The ‘I’ll Get By’ swung out of formation to the left, rolled inverted, and started to spin in. With the fire spreading, control was regained and the crew began to bail out of the mortally hurt aircraft. Two minutes after being hit (1754), the ‘I’ll Get By’ blew up. Three parachutes were observed. The loss of the ‘I’ll Get By’ was reported as ‘near Lisieux, France.’ The paperwork was completed and filed and the war went on. (Atch 2)

Sometime later, the three men who parachuted from the aircraft were identified to the Red Cross as POWs: SSgts Lipkin, Collyer and Phillips, all gunners from the rear of the aircraft. All were captured as soon as they reached the ground – SSgt Collyer having broken his ankle upon landing; SSgt Phillips having sprained is knee. All were sent to the same prison camp, Stalag Luft IV, Gross Tychow Germany (now Tychowo, Poland). All were subjected to the infamous ‘Black March’ as the Germans tried to force-march the POWs out of the path of the advancing Russian Army in the middle of winter. All returned to the United States in 1945 and picked up their lives from there. As an aside, SSgts Collyer and Adamson both re-enlisted in the Air Force and retired as senior Non-Commissioned Officers (NCOs) (Collyer as a Master Sergeant, Adamson as a Chief Master Sergeant).

After his return to America in 1945, SSgt Phillips applied for membership in the Caterpillar Club on 9 Jul 45 (Atch 3). The Caterpillar Club is an informal association of people who have successfully used a parachute to bail out of a disabled aircraft. In his application, SSgt Phillips described the loss of the ‘I’ll Get By”:
I was going over the French coast – over the front lines – when our ship got a direct hit with flak. [The] ship turned over and started to burn. I came out of my turret and put on my [para]chute and jumped. Our ship blew up a few seconds later. My [para]chute opened [at] about 18,000ft. I [landed] in a wheat field [and] sprained my knee.
SSgt Phillips summarized the reason for the jump as ‘Aircraft hit, burning and out of control.’

On 19 Jul 45, SSgt Phillips wrote to Capt. Baber’s mother. As kindly as one can tell a mother, he said that there was little hope for her son. He went on to say that he didn’t know what happened after he left the plane; but he thought that the only way the three survived was that Capt. Baber held the plane in the air long enough for them to get out. (Atch 4)

In 1947 a Graves Registration team traveled to Airan, France to investigate the crash site of an American B-17. They recovered 7 bodies including one with the ID tags of Capt. Robert O Baber and an engine ID plate that matched one of the engines on the ‘I’ll Get By’. The ‘I’ll Get By’ was found – not ‘near Lisieux’ but in a farmer’s field in Airan, France. The next of kin were notified of the recovery of the bodies and asked for their preferences as to the burial – in Europe or returned to America for burial there. Three opted for repatriation to America. Four chose burial in France.


1.2 The Germans

In Aug 44 two flak (Flugzeugabwehrkanone) batteries, each with 4 88mm Model 37 guns, were deployed near Airan France – one about one kilometer directly south of Airan, the other about 2 km southwest of Airan. These were 2. und 3. Schwere Batterien d. I.(gem.mot.)/Flak-Sturm-Regiment 20 – the 2nd and 3rd Heavy Batteries of the 20th Flak Sturm Regiment (motorized) whose Kommandeur was Major Anton Meckel. The 20th Regiment was part of the 16th Flak Division of the 3rd Flak Corps. The nearer battery was the 3rd Battery of the 20th Flak Sturm Regiment (Motorized). The farther one was its companion 2nd Battery.

At 1754 on 2 Aug 44 they began firing at a formation of B-17s flying SSE at 6700m (approx. 22000ft) at 104m/sec (approx. 233mph). At their closest approach to the nearest battery, the B-17s were at a slant range of 8400m to Battery 2 and 9200m to Battery 3. The batteries fired 39 rounds apiece during the two minutes that the B-17 formation was within range. At 1755, one B-17 was hit, fell out of the formation to the left of the flight path, turned right under the formation and crashed due East of Airan. The location of the witnesses to that action is marked on the attached map as ‘Zeugenstandpunkt.’ Note: independent witnesses were required in order for the batteries to claim a ‘kill.’ The B-17 that they shot down was the ‘I’ll Get By’.

The action was duly reported by (signature unreadable), Oberleutnant u Ord Offz (1st Lieutenant and Administrative Officer), with maps drawn by Zeichner Obergefreiter (Artist Lance Corporal) Putz (Atch 5).

The German sketch of the action came from the files of Joel Huard of ANSA 39/45. Mr Henry L. (Larry) deZeng IV of the Axis History Forum generously helped me with the German military terms, acronyms and amplifying data.

2.0 The Kindness of Strangers

2.1 The Search for the Crash Site

I grew up hearing about my mother’s favorite brother, Bob, who died in the war one month before I was born. He was a B-17 pilot, her childhood hero and her big brother. She would cry if I asked too many questions; so, I learned to avoid asking about him. To me, he was a photograph on the wall of a good-looking young officer in the khaki uniform of an Air Corps pilot and the reason why my middle name was Robert.

Over time, I inherited my mother’s love for genealogy. That and my fascination with personal computers made me my mother’s data entry clerk with the early genealogy software that ran on Apple II’s. A fortuitous assignment to Air Command and Staff College in 1976 put me next door to the Air Force Historical Research Agency (AFHRA). Now, I could add to the thin entries on Capt. Robert O. Baber. From the AFHRA came the MACR and Unit Histories of the 95th BG – the source of most of the information above.

I learned that military personnel data was filed in the National Personnel Records Center, Military Personnel Records (NPRC-MPR) in St Louis MO (part of the National Archives). I submitted the required form, the SF-180, and waited. In due course, the response came back that the Center had no information on Capt. Robert O Baber. A fire in the center in 1973 had destroyed 80% of the records dealing with World War II personnel. Apparently, Capt. Baber’s records are among the many that were lost.

Much later, I was going through my mother’s papers and found Capt. Baber’s Form 5 (Individual Flight Record). From his Flight Records I learned that he had 1275 hours of flying time when he died – almost all of it as first pilot or command pilot. He had flown 600 of those hours in B-17s. He also had logged time in Basic and primary trainers, AT-6, AT-7, L-1, L-3, L-4, P-39, P-40, P-51, BT-13, DB-7, A-20, B-25, and B-26. Most of those aircraft were flown before transitioning to B-17s and while assigned to the 76th Observation Group.

There it stood until my retirement in 1995 and a newfound interest in World War I. My wife, Peggie, is a patient, good-hearted lady; but too many battlefields and cemeteries while visiting Europe forced a renegotiation of the itinerary. NOTE: Renegotiation meant me saying, ‘Yes, Dear’ a lot. So, battlefields were interspersed with churches, gardens and non-military museums. On the latest trip (late Apr 14) with my wife, son and daughter-in-law, the ladies wanted to see the Bayeux tapestry. Bayeux is in Normandy and so was the crash site of ‘I’ll Get By’.

When I stopped looking for Capt. Baber, all I had was the MACR location (‘near Lisieux’).  I wanted to visit the crash site; but needed a more precise location than ‘close to Lisieux’.  I contacted Lt Col John Lacy, the Assistant Air Attaché in the American Embassy in Paris.  That led to Mr. Josh Fennell of the Defense POW/Missing Personnel Office in Washington DC.  He led me to Mr. Joel Huard of the ANSA 39-45 organization (a team of amateur archeologists researching and excavating downed aircraft in France).  Mr. Huard led me to Mr. Michel Duperron and Mr. Patrice Martin of the small town of Airan, Calvados, France.  Mr. Duperron, who speaks no English, was researching the ‘I’ll Get By’ crash site.  Mr. Martin, the mayor of Airan, speaks English.  

We drove to Airan and had a marvelous three-way conversation with Michel and Patrice. From them we learned of the ceremony to unveil a granite stone commemorating the loss of 'I’ll Get By’ and remembering the crew.  This memorial was part of the ‘Liberation Day’ ceremonies celebrated in this part of France. In this case, Airan (and the surrounding 5 towns) were all liberated by the British Army on or around 14 Aug 44. Airan wanted to recognize the contribution and sacrifice of the Americans with a monument to the ‘I’ll Get By’ which they planned to unveil on 14 Aug 14 – the 70th anniversary of their
Liberation Day

Mr. Duperron took us to the crash site in a farmer's field on the edge of Airan.  There is not much left of the aircraft - just occasional small debris.  Apparently, the Germans recovered most of the wreckage immediately after the crash for recycling into the German war effort.

It was entirely serendipitous that we would arrive there when we did. We were the first crewmember relatives that had visited Airan -- and the timing for our trip was purely by chance. They asked if we could return for the ceremony in August (we said we would) and would we try to contact other relatives of the crew (we said we would). This was the start of the search for Capt. Baber’s crew.

2.2 The Search for the Crew

Two things had changed since I last looked for Capt. Baber:
The explosion of data available on-line through internet searches
Ancestry.com

I had the names of the crew from the MACR and other data from the unit histories. There were discrepancies, however.
In the MACR, SSgt Lipkin is not listed; in fact, no waist gunner is listed. Yet, SSgt Lipkin was on the aircraft, did bail out, and was a POW. I suspect that, at the time of the mission debriefing on 2 Aug 44 (and the creation of the MACR), it was known that Capt. Baber’s crew had been shot down and that Capt. Bockman had replaced one of the waist gunners; but which waist gunner wasn’t clear. Rather than guess, the waist gunner entry was left blank.
In 95th BG Special Order (SO) 195, dated 18 Jul 44, which lists the ‘Lead Crews’ by name, 1st Lt Kaylor is not listed as part of Capt. Baber’s crew. In fact, no co-pilot was listed. Yet, 1st Lt Kaylor, who had more combat missions than anyone else in the crew, did fly and was killed. 1st Lt Kaylor flew 32 combat missions with another crew. Since this was supposed to be an easy mission, he was assigned as the co-pilot to finish the 33 missions required for completion of a combat tour for a ‘Lead Crew.’

My reconstruction of the crew is the following:

Capt. Robert Oris Baber, O-375909, Pilot, KIA, Age 28, Kansas
1st Lt Jasper W. Kaylor, Jr., O-817042, Copilot, KIA, Age 27, Georgia
1st Lt Raymond D. Dallas, O-696069, Navigator, KIA, Age 20, Kentucky
1st Lt Frank T. Sohm, O-745983, Bombardier, KIA, Age 22, New York
TSgt Oscar C. Walrod, 19004514, Flight Engineer & Top Turret, KIA, Age 25, Kansas
TSgt Robert V. Hill, Radio Operator, 35644893, KIA, Age 23, Ohio
SSgt Donald W. Phillips, 15377309, Ball Turret Gunner, POW, Age 21, Ohio
SSgt Walter J. Collyer, Jr., 32804322, Tail Gunner, POW, Age 18, New York
SSgt Barney Lipkin, 32695273, Waist Gunner, POW, Age 24, New York
Capt. Elmer E. Bockman, O-2044718, Observer, KIA, Age 24, Texas
*SSgt William W. Adamson, 18106995, Waist Gunner, Age 21, Texas

* Normal member of Capt. Baber crew – did not fly on 2 Aug 44 mission – Capt. Bockman flew in his position

From the Internet came the crew photograph already mentioned as Atch 1. The Internet version came with the notation that the 5th man from the left is TSgt Oscar Walrod. Also from the Internet came a restatement of the MACR from a French website that documents all the 8th AF losses in France (Atch 6). These two sources gave me the aircraft’s name: ‘I’ll Get By.’

My starting point was, therefore, a list of 11 names, seven of which I knew had died on 2 Aug 44, and a picture of 11 men which one of them identified but without the source of that identification documented. My daughter, Kate, resolved the documentation problem when she found the crew picture on the photo-sharing site, Flickr. Mike Walrod, grandson of TSgt Oscar Walrod, had identified his grandfather in the picture in a comment on the picture. Kate sent him a message. Mike and his father, Joe, were soon in email contact with us.

The next step was to search the 1940 and 1930 census returns for the crew names. I wanted to find both the crewmembers and their close relatives (mother, father, sister, brother, children). From the 1940 Census and other sources comes the following:
Robert O. Baber was born 18 Oct 15 in Mentor KS, graduated from Kansas State College (now Kansas State University) in 1939 with a degree in Agricultural Science – Milling
Jasper W. Kaylor Jr. was born on 15 Aug 16, was married to Dorothy Ruth Moore in 1939, had a daughter, Mary Ruth, in 1940, worked as a postal clerk, enlisted in the Army 16 Sep 42 in Atlanta GA
Raymond D. Dallas was born 19 Oct 23 in Paducah KY, was in high school in 1940
Frank T. Sohm was born in 1922, was a high school graduate working as a salesman in Kingston, NY in 1940, enlisted 12 Dec 1941 in Kingston NY.
Oscar C. Walrod was born on 19 Nov 18 in Correctionville IA, was working as a ranch hand in Oregon in 1940, was married to Dorothy Rosina Deters on 5 Jun 43 and had a son Joseph in 1944
Robert V. Hill was born in 1921 in Green OH, was a high school graduate living with his father in 1940 and was married to Elizabeth.
Barney Lipkin was born on 29 Jan 20 in Brooklyn NY, enlisted 24 Jan 43 in Brooklyn NY
Donald W. Phillips was born 5 May 23 in Alliance OH, was a high school graduate working as a machinist’s apprentice in 1940, enlisted on 4 Dec 42 in Columbus OH
Walter J. Collyer Jr. was born on 19 Sep 25 in New York NY, was a high school student in New York, and enlisted in New York 1n 1943
Elmer E. Bockman was born on 25 Nov 19 in Nacogdoches TX, was working as a clerk in the family grocery store in Ft Sumner NM in 1940, enlisted on 30 Dec 40 at Ft Bliss TX
William W. Adamson was born on 24 Apr 23, enlisted 3 Oct 43

With that 1940 Census data I could also enter the search feature in Ancestry.com and search the family trees for the crewmembers and/or their close relatives.
There are two problems with this approach:
Ancestry.com redacts the data for living people – and I wanted to contact living relatives to invite them to the ceremony.
Ancestry.com allows family tree authors to declare their trees ‘private’ – the search will return the info that the person is in the tree but nothing else.

The solution is the same for both cases: a message to the tree author asking them to release data on the person in question or to put me in contact with someone who did have the data. Using that process, we (my daughter, Kate, and I) were able to find the following:
Mary Jandene Placania, granddaughter of 1st Lt Jasper W Kaylor, through the help of JeffreyWilliams2067
Tony Dallas, brother of 1st Lt Raymond D Dallas, through the help of Mary Sexton, Robert & Annette Dallas, Keith Wayne Ragan
John Sohm, nephew of 1st Lt Frank T Sohm, author of his own family tree
Jeff Dillow, 2nd cousin to TSgt Robert V Hill, through the help of Kristi Massie
Deborah Williamson, daughter of SSgt Donald W Phillips, through the help of Diredtor271 from Ancestry.com
Joshua C Roan, grandson of SSgt Walter J Collyer Jr., through the help of Johnny Roan (jroan150)
Paula Lipkin, daughter of SSgt Barney Lipkin, through the help of Alana Lipkin

I am still looking for the relatives of Capt. Elmer E Bockman and SSgt William W Adamson. Perhaps someone who reads this can give me a lead that will prove successful.

2.3 Crew Combat History

The 95th Bomb Group Memorials Foundation maintains a database of the 334 combat missions flown by the 95th BG from 13 May 43 to 25 May 45. That database is available at http://95thbg.org/j3migr/missions/missions-list. The entire list is included at Atch 7. A companion database of flight records is available at http://95thbg.org/j3migr/missions/missions-list. It can be searched by name (among other things) to determine which missions an individual flew and with whom. Using that database the following history can be reconstructed:

Capt. Robert O Baber began his combat flying as a copilot in Capt. J. B. Campbell’s crew on Mission 101 on 23 Mar 44. That was his first and only combat mission as a copilot. With the exception of four missions, his subsequent missions were as pilot with his own crew. The four exceptional missions were those that Capt. Baber flew as a Command Pilot (Group Leader) with another crew.

The complete list follows:

101 23 Mar 44 Brunswick Co-pilot
103 27 Mar 44 Cazaux Pilot
104 28 Mar 44 Chateaudun Pilot
105 01 Apr 44 Ludwigshafen Pilot
107 10 Apr 44 Beaumont-sur-Oise Pilot
110 13 Apr 44 Augsburg Pilot
112 19 Apr 44 Werl Pilot
113 20 Apr 44 NoBall 10A and 32 Pilot
120 28 Apr 44 NoBall 18 Pilot
121 29 Apr 44 Berlin Pilot
122 01 May 44 NoBall 120 Pilot
126 08 May 44 La Glacerie Pilot
128 11 May 44 Liege Pilot
129 12 May 44 Brux Pilot
131 19 May 44 Berlin Pilot
139 30 May 44 Brussels Pilot
140 31 May 44 Osnabruk Pilot
146 06 Jun 44 Normandy Pilot
149 08 Jun 44 Tours Pilot
159 22 Jun 44 Paris Pilot
170 08 Jul 44 Tactical Cmd Pilot
173 14 Jul 44 Cadillac Pilot
174 16 Jul 44 Stuttgart Cmd Pilot
175 17 Jul 44 Tactical Cmd Pilot
178 19 Jul 44 Schweinfurt Pilot
181 24 Jul 44 Tactical Cmd Pilot
183 28 Jul 44 Merseburg Pilot
186 02 Aug 44 Tactical Pilot

NOTES:
‘Tactical’ targets were troop concentrations and transportation hubs to isolate the Normandy invasion beaches
‘NoBall’ targets were V-1 and V-2 launch sites
‘Cadillac’ missions were supply drops to Resistance units in Occupied Europe

There are issues with this data. The MACR (Atch 2) lists Capt. Baber’s mission number as 27 – not including the last mission on 2 Aug 44. The list above is 28 including the last mission. The 95th BG database lists only 24 missions; it does not include the four missions Capt. Baber few as Command Pilot. I believe the solution lies in Capt. Baber’s Flight Log for Jul 44 (Atch 8). The following missions are listed in the Flight Log as ‘Acting Command Pilot’ and have flying hours consistent with the missions flown by the 95th BG on that day. Capt. Baber is not listed as flying those missions in the 95th BG database. Their inclusion would, however, make the 95th BG database mission count agree with the mission count on the MACR.

In his 23 missions when he had his own crew, Capt. Baber flew:
2 times with 1st Lt Jasper C Kaylor Jr. as co-pilot
3 times with 1st Lt Raymond D Dallas as navigator
3 times with 1st Lt Frank T Sohm as bombardier
23 times with T/Sgt Oscar C Walrod as flight engineer/top turret gunner
20 times with T/Sgt Robert V Hill as radio operator
23 times with S/Sgt Donald W Phillips as ball turret gunner
22 times with S/Sgt Barney Lipkin as right waist gunner
18 times with S/Sgt William W Adamson as left waist gunner
22 times with S/Sgt Walter J Collyer as tail gunner

It is apparent that the ‘Baber Crew’ was Capt. Baber and the six enlisted men. In fact, Sgts Hill, Walrod, Phillips, Lipkin, and Collyer only flew with Capt. Baber. Sgt Adamson flew 12 of 18 missions with Capt. Baber.

The three other officer positions were not consistently crewed with Capt. Baber. Since Capt. Bockman was assigned to the HQ 95th BG, he had no assigned crew.
1st Lt Jasper C Kaylor Jr. flew 31 of his 33 missions as the co-pilot of 1st Lt Paul Ribnikar’s crew.
1st Lt Raymond D Dallas flew 27 of his 30 missions as the navigator on 1st Lt Charles A. Besser’s crew
1st Lt Frank T Sohm flew 22 of his 25 missions as the bombardier on 1st Lt Jack D. Beckelman’s crew
Capt. Elmer E. Bockman flew only one of his 23 missions with Capt. Baber.

Capt. Baber flew most often with the following:
1st Lt Claude L. Bodin as Co-pilot – 19 missions
1st Lt Robert M. Staum as Navigator – 12 missions
1st Lt Robert L. Rathgeber (11 missions) or 1st Lt Joseph T. Bartoszek (7 missions) as Bombardier

If I am correct about the four missions flown as ‘Acting Command Pilot’ (see above), then Capt. Baber would be flying those missions as a additional member of another pilot’s crew. Therefore, his one flight as a co-pilot and four flights as an ‘Acting Command Pilot’ with other crews would make his mission count 5 more than T/Sgt Walrod and S/Sgt Phillips. Both of those men had faithfully flown every mission with Capt. Baber and both were credited with 23 missions on the MACR

2.3 The Crew Photograph

The first problem with the picture was the quality of the picture taken from the Internet. The Internet copy is a poor quality copy of the picture from the National Archives. The National Archives has a list of four companies authorized to produce high quality copies of Archive photographs. However, they require the file number of the picture to get started. An email to the National Archives, Still Picture Branch with a copy of the picture and as much information about the picture as I had produced a response from Holly Reed, of Still Picture Reference, with the file number. Then Jim Parker of Double Delta Industries created a very high quality version of the crew picture.

After many false starts, with the combination of a high quality picture and relatives of 9 of the 11 men in the picture, we were able to match names and faces in the crew photograph. The key points are these:
This photograph was taken on 2 Aug 44 because there are 11 men in the picture – the normal crew and Capt. Bockman.
10 men are in flight jackets – they will fly. The man on the left is wearing a cap with an enlisted cap badge and is without a flight jacket. He is SSgt Adamson – he will not fly.
There are 4 men wearing flight jackets that are also wearing hats with officer hat badges. These are the normal officer crew of pilot, co-pilot, navigator and bombardier. Specifically, they are Capt. Baber, 1st Lt Kaylor, 1st Lt Dallas and 1st Lt Sohm.
There are 6 men dressed as enlisted men with fleece lined ball caps. The 6 positions left to fill are Flight Engineer/Top Turret, Radio Operator, Ball Turret, Left Waist, Right Waist, and Tail Gunner. Since SSgt Adamson (a waist gunner) is not flying and Capt. Bockman is flying in his place, then Capt. Bockman is dressed as an enlisted gunner.
1st Lt Sohm, 1st Lt Dallas, TSgt Hill and SSgt Collyer were identified from contemporary photos.
Their children, grandchildren, or nephews identified Capt. Baber,
1st Lt Kaylor, TSgt Walrod, SSgt Lipkin, and SSgt Phillips.
Capt. Bockman is identified by elimination.

The names to match the faces in the picture are, therefore, (left to right):

SSgt William W Adamson, Waist Gunner, did not fly - replaced by Capt. Bockman
Capt. Elmer E Bockman, Asst. S-3 95th BG Observer, KIA
1st Lt Jasper W Kaylor, Jr., Copilot, KIA
1st Lt Frank T Sohm, Bombardier, KIA
TSgt Oscar C Walrod, Flight Engineer & Top Turret, KIA
TSgt Robert V Hill, Radio Operator, KIA
Capt. Robert Oris Baber, Pilot, KIA
1st Lt Raymond D Dallas, Navigator, KIA
SSgt Barney Lipkin, Waist Gunner, POW
SSgt Walter J Collyer, Jr., Tail Gunner, POW
SSgt Donald W Phillips, Ball Turret, POW

2.4 The Ceremony

14 Aug 14 was a sunny day with a chance for showers. We were staying in the delightful town of Lisieux, France. After a 30 min drive we arrived at the Airan town hall. Seven of us were attending the ceremony: my wife, Peggie, and I; my daughter, Kate, and two of our grandchildren, Sarah and Nate; my son, John, and his wife, Megan.

The ceremonies in Airan began at 1030 14 Aug 14 with laying of a floral tribute for the British Army liberators of Airan at the 12th century Church of Saint-Germain (Atch 9).

We then moved to a small farming road on the Eastern edge of Airan where the monument to the ‘I’ll Get By’ is located. After raising the American and French flags on the flagpoles behind the monument and the playing of the national anthems for both nations, Mayor Patrice Martin and I unveiled the monument (Atch 10). Mayor Martin gave a speech welcoming us and praising the courage and sacrifice of the Americans and more specifically, the crew of ‘I’ll Get By’ (Atch 11&12). I responded with a short speech thanking them for their kindness to us and for their thoughtfulness in creating this monument to the crew (Atch 13).

The ceremony concluded with the laying of a floral tribute (Atch 14) and the presentation by Michel and Lucienne Duperron of a recovered part from the crash site (Atch 15)

The three men who are responsible for this tribute to the crew are shown here (Atch 16). They are (from left to right): Joel Huard (ANSA 39-45), Michel Duperron, and Mayor Patrice Martin. We thank these men for this fine monument to the crew (Atch 17).

2.5 The Reception

After the ceremony, the group reconvened in the Town Hall for a reception. During the reception it was my honor to read a letter from the current 8th Air Force Commander, Major General Scott Vander Hamm, thanking Airan for remembering and honoring the crew (Atch 18&19). Then I presented a copy of the crew picture taken from the high quality copy that Jim Parker created for me. (Atch 20) Translating the high quality data on a thumb drive to a beautifully detailed photograph was the work of Bobby Currie of WANT Photography in San Pedro CA

The final event for this ceremony was the newspaper article published about the event (Atch 21)

2.6 Finding the Monument, Picture and Crash Site

The picture is in the Airan town hall (Marie) as is Mayor Patrice Martin’s office (GPS 49.100823, -0.151194) (see pin in Atch 22). The monument is East of town along D47 (GPS 49.094147, -0.136203) (see pin in Atch 23). The crash site is at the pin in Atch 24 (GPS 49.097755, -0.136930).

2.7 Where are they now?

All eleven men in the crew photo are dead. Seven of the crew died on 2 Aug 1944. A Graves Registration team recovered their bodies in 1947. The next of kin had the choice of burying the relative either in Europe or returning to body to the US for burial.
Capt. Robert Oris Baber is buried in the Gypsum Hill Cemetery, Salina KS (Atch 25)
Capt. Elmer E. Bockman is buried in the American Military Cemetery, Coleville-sur-Mer, Normandy, France (Atch 26).
1st Lt Jasper Wiley Kaylor Jr. is buried in the Westview Cemetery in Atlanta GA (Atch 27)
1st Lt Raymond Donald Dallas is buried in the American Military Cemetery, Coleville-sur-Mer, Normandy, France (Atch 28)
1st Lt Frank T. Sohm is buried in the American Military Cemetery, Coleville-sur-Mer, Normandy, France (Atch 29)
TSgt Oscar Cyrus Walrod is buried in the Correctionville Cemetery, Correctionville IA (Atch 30)
TSgt Robert Vernon Hill is buried in the American Military Cemetery, Coleville-sur-Mer, Normandy, France (Atch 31).

Four of the men in the crew photo survived the war. One man (SSgt Adamson) did not fly on 2 Aug 44. The remaining three did fly, bailed out of the aircraft over occupied France, were captured, and spent the remainder of the European war in a POW camp (SSgts Lipkin, Phillips, and Collyer).
SSgt Barney Lipkin died 02 Oct 1986 and is buried in the New Montefiore Cemetery, Brooklyn NY (Atch 32)
SSgt Donald Warren Phillips died on 11 Mar 1995 and is buried in the Highland Memorial Park, Beloit OH (Atch 33).
SSgt (later Master Sergeant) Walter James Collyer Jr. died on 18 Jan 2001 and is buried in the Rocky Branch Cemetery, Rocky Branch LA (Atch 34)
SSgt (later Chief Master Sergeant) William Wallace Adamson died 15 Oct 1993 and is buried in the Fort Sam Houston National Cemetery, San Antonio TX (Atch 35)

2.8 What Is Next

I have written to the National Personnel Record Center- Military Personnel Records (NPRC-MPR) for the data they hold for each of the crew. I expect to be denied access to the records for SSgts Lipkin, Phillips, Collyer and Adamson. The requisite 62 years have not passed since their death so the records are not yet in the public domain. So far, I learned from Mr. Harold Sill that the records for 1st Lt Kaylor and 1st Lt Sohm were destroyed in the 1973 fire (as were Capt. Baber’s). I am waiting word on the records for the remainder of the crew.

The response from the NPRC-MPR recommended that I also request the Individual Deceased Personnel File from the U.S. Army Human Resources Command, Casualty & Memorial Affairs Operations Division. I submitted that request for Capt. Baber’s file on 2 Jul 14. The response from the Army said the request might take up to 48 weeks. If that request is successful, then I will submit requests for the other 6 crewmembers that died on 2 Aug 44.

I continue to work with the AFHRA at Maxwell AFB AL. Mr. William M. Russell, AFHRA/RC, is researching the following:
- Mission reports for each of Capt. Baber’s combat missions while in the 335th and 412th Bomb Squadrons
-- What position did he fly in the combat box?
- Any mention of the other crewmembers in mission reports or Special Orders
-- Copies of Special Orders pertaining to those names
Hopefully, that search will turn up more information about the earlier missions (before the fateful 2 Aug 44 mission).

Under the category of unfinished business is the following:
Finding living relatives for Capt. Elmer E Bockman. His father was Hernando Desoto Bockman. He has two brothers: Jacob Archie and Hernando Desoto Jr.
Finding living relatives of SSgt (later CMSgt) William W Adamson. There is one tantalizing clue: CMSGT Adamson married Elizabeth Ida Weir on 3 May 74. The Reserve Officer Training (ROTC) building at North Texas University is named for ‘William and Elizabeth Adamson.’
Pictures of the gravestones for SSgt Phillips, and SSgt Lipkin.

According to a 3rd Bombardment Division letter dated 23 Jun 44, the awards for sustained operations for combat personnel were one Air Medal (or oak leaf cluster) for each six combat missions and a Distinguished Flying Cross for the tour. Crewmembers that were Missing In Action (MIA) could be granted exceptions. A Purple Heart was awarded for each wound or death caused by enemy action. Further, the three crewmembers that survived as POWs were subjected to the Stalag Luft IV ‘Death March’ which could mean the award of the Purple Heart for injuries sustained in the march as well as the POW medal. With those rules in mind, I want to review the awards and decorations granted to each of the crewmembers to assure that they were given the awards that they were due.

The Missing A/C Report documents the number of combat missions completed prior to the 2 Aug 44 mission. Those data are:
27 Capt. Robert Oris Baber, O-375909, Pilot,
32 1st Lt Jasper W Kaylor, Jr., O-817042, Copilot,
23 1st Lt Raymond D Dallas, O-696069, Navigator
27 1st Lt Frank T Sohm, O-745983, Bombardier,
23 TSgt Oscar C Walrod, 19004514, Flight Engineer & Top Turret
20 TSgt Robert V Hill, Radio Operator, 35644893,
23 SSgt Donald W Phillips, 15377309, Ball Turret Gunner,
22 SSgt Walter J Collyer, Jr., 32804322, Tail Gunner,
23 SSgt Barney Lipkin, 32695273, Waist Gunner,
23* Capt. Elmer E Bockman, O-2044718, Observer
* Capt. Bockman’s mission total courtesy of Rod Hupp, researcher for the 95th BG Association

Finally, personnel who successfully bail out of a disabled aircraft are eligible for membership in the Caterpillar Club. I have contacted Marie Gowen of the Switlik Corporation (Switlik controls membership in the Caterpillar Club) in the names of SSgts Lipkin, Phillips, and Collyer. Ms. Gowen informed me that SSgt Phillips is already a member of the Caterpillar Club. She has approved the memberships of SSgts Collyer and Lipkin (Atch 36, 37 & 38). I will forward to the next of kin the membership packages (membership certificate and caterpillar pin).

2.9 Miscellaneous Information

The ‘I’ll Get By’ was a B-17G-55-BO with the tail number 42-102700. B-17s were built at Boeing Plant 2 in Seattle, Lockheed Vega in Burbank, and Douglas Aircraft in Long Beach. The United States built 12,731 B-17s of all variants. Of that total of 12,731, 8,680 were B-17Gs. Of that total of 8,680 B-17Gs, Boeing built 4035 under various contracts. Of the Boeing-built 4035 B-17Gs, 200 were built at Boeing under contract B-17G-55-BO. ‘I’ll Get By’ was one of those 200.

The Capt. Baber crew photograph (Attachment 1) is the dust cover photograph for Bombers by Philip Kaplan (Atch 39). Bombers was published in 2000 by Barnes & Noble (ISBN 0-7607-2057-6).

The B-17G gun positions are described in Atch 40. Note: The two navigator-operated ‘Chin Whisker’ .50 Cal machine guns are not shown. Atch 41 describes the ‘chin’ turret and the bombardier’s position for operating the turret. Atch 42 shows the ball turret gunner at his position. Atch 43 shows the tail gunner in his position.

Atch 44 shows the crew bail out exit routes.





3.0 The Kindness of Strangers

The following people made this story possible:

Lt Col John Lacy, former Assistant Air Attaché, DAO Paris
Josh Fennell
Joel Huard
Michel & Lucienne Duperron
Patrice Martin
Mike & Joe Walrod
Mary Jandene Placania
JeffreyWilliams2067 from Ancestry.com
Tony Dallas
Mary Sexton
Robert & Annette Dallas
Keith Wayne Ragan
John Sohm
Jeff Dillow
Kristie Massie
Deborah Williamson
Director271 from Ancestry.com
Joshua C Roan
Johnny Roan
Paula Lipkin
Alana Lipkin
Holly Reed
Jim Parker
Bobby Currie
Marie Gowen
Rod Hupp
William M Russell, AFHRA
2nd Bomb Wing/Public Affairs Staff
MG Scott Vander Hamm, Commander 8th AF
Henry L. (Larry) deZeng IV



Thank you,

John R (Jack) Wormington, Brig Gen USAF (Ret)
33 Avenida Corona
Rancho Palos Verdes CA 90275
jack@wormington.com

Attachments
Crew Photograph
Missing A/C Report (MACR), A/C No 2700, 412th Sqdn, 95th BG, 2 Aug 44
Letter, SSgt Phillips to Mrs. Baber, dated 19 Jul 45
Caterpillar Club Application - Phillips
German Report of B-17 ‘I’ll Get By’
Screenshot of entry 635 of 778 from web site www.b-17-france.org
Missions List
Flight Log
British Army Ceremony
Unveiling the Monument
Mayor Martin Giving His Speech
Mayor Martin’s Speech
Wormington Speech
Placing Flowers
Presenting Recovered Artifact
Joel Huard, Michael Duperron, Patrice Martin
Monument
Reading the Letter
MG Vander Hamm letter
Presenting Photo
Newspaper Copy
Airan Marie
Monument Site
‘I’ll Get By’ crash site
Baber Gravestone
Bockman Gravestone
Kaylor Gravestone
Dallas Gravestone
Sohm Gravestone
Walrod Gravestone
Hill Gravestone
Lipkin Gravestone (No photo available, yet)
Phillips Gravestone (No photo available, yet)
Collyer Gravestone
Adamson Gravestone
Caterpillar Club – Collyer
Caterpillar Club – Lipkin
Caterpillar Club pin
Bombers by Kaplan
B-17G Gun Positions
B-17G Chin Turret
B-17G Ball Turret
B-17G Tail Gunner
B-17 Crew Bail Out Exits
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Kate, a rare and detailed account not only of the incident but also your research. Thank you for sharing.

 The 95th BG database lists only 24 missions; it does not include the four missions Capt. Baber few as Command Pilot.
As a command pilot he may have been flying in a Pathfinder plane from another Bomb Group leading the 13th Combat Wing (100BG: 390BG; 490BG). Maybe their Associations can give you more information.

 In the MACR, SSgt Lipkin is not listed; in fact, no waist gunner is listed.
I don’t have access to the attachments you reference but MACR 7701 [NAID: 91038631] lists Lipkin, Barney (NMI) as a waist gunner. Lipkin is also listed with his home address and mother as next of kin.

 The MACR (Atch 2) lists Capt. Baber’s mission number as 27
The MACR document accessible on the National Archive website only contains six pages, none of which quote the number of missions flown by any crew member. It maybe that you have access to the post-war interrogation forms where individuals might quote unofficial mission counts.
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